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Post title: Modern Islam and science: an article by Seyyed Hossein Nasr

Authored by: krisnelson

Date posted: May 26, 2010

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I don't want to get too detailed, but I believe that a perfect article that you and your readers should read is the following one by Seyyed Hossein Nasr: http://msa.mit.edu/archives/nasrspeech1.html
In that article, Professor Nasr talks about Islam and Modern Science and, more importantly, he tells the audience that when he discusses this issue, he is specifically addressing the Muslim students because it is very much a "family problem" in the sense that Muslims themselves need to be acquainted with exactly what Islamic science is before non-Muslims start to criticize or accept that science.

I had to split the comment into multiple comments. Here is the rest:
What differentiates modern science from Islamic science is in essence the society/culture in which these two sciences were cultured. Professor Nasr in his writings has tried to tell the Muslim community that modern science, and any science for that matter, always has a "philosophical baggage" which it carries no matter where it is brought. Muslims today want to master modern science and use it for their own means, but they never realize that modern science cannot just be transplanted to a university in Riyadh and blossom just like it did in Europe. In order to understand exactly what the problem is, I think you guys need to know about what happened with the Muslim understanding right after the end of colonialism.

Hi guys! This is my first time visiting this website. I feel that I should clear up some ambiguities and any questions you may have regarding Professor Nasr and his views. But keep in mind that I am only a student and I have never met Professor Nasr and I can only speak about what I understand from his writings.
James asked, "Islamic science or science done by those who happen to Islamic - what would the difference be for Seyyed?". What Professor Nasr says is that we already have enough *Muslim* scientists, however, we have very few *Islamic* scientists. In the Islamic world and here in the West, there are many scientists who happen to have Muslim names; however, they are not Islamic scientists because they study modern science and as such they never do Islamic science because everything from their research output to teaching is based upon the principles of modern science.

It is devastating to scientific knowledge when religion or the state intervene. Scientists should absolutely be bound by ethical constraints, but those constraints should be determined by reason. Restrictions on scientific experiments for political reasons held back Soviet scientific education and it's holding back American scientific education today.
Science is about overturning beliefs through empirical evidence. How ready would a "veritable Islamic science" be for a Newton or an Einstein? I may be viewing Islam as too dogmatic here, but science faces similar challenges in the United States.

Knowledge as we know it, based on empricism came only in the seventeenth century after the French Revolution in the form of Positivism...but in the larger relam of knowledge the concept is wide like understood in Islam.

You're right: there is a distinct lack of concreteness. I believe he thinks that infusing Islamic ethics and values into the scientific process will inevitably lead to differences--even if he's not entirely sure what those differences will be. Respect for the environment? No nuclear bombs? He mentions these things--but is that really different science, or just a different way to apply knowledge?

I suppose that he doesn't mean a science that takes the Koran as an absolutely authoritative source for scientific knowledge that supersedes any inconsistent conclusions drawn from fallible human observation alone, as many biblical literalists would mean by a "Christian" science.

Islamic science or science done by those who happen to Islamic - what would the difference be for Seyyed? I didn't get to any of the readings for this week - or to class, for that matter - but after reading this I am still not sure what an Islamic science means for him in concrete terms.

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